NOTE: THIS POST IS A LOCAL EXAMPLE USED AS A TOOL TO FIGHT HERESY WORLD-WIDE
A DARK, DARK SUNDAY
Recently on a Sunday morning EZEKIEL3’s investigative reporter, Pastor Larry McCune went to the (hyper-charismatic) Rock church on 37th Street in Parkersburg, WV to spy out the infamous isims and schisims of leader and founder, “FALSE APOSTLE David Chisholm”. Not surprised; he observed an earful and an eyeful of Bible ignorance running amuck. There is no shortage of heresy at this Biblically bankrupt synagogue of Satan selling itself as a full gospel New Testament church. Continue reading for a factual eye-opening account given and recorded by our reporter, Larry McCune.
Upon entering the auditorium the first thing Larry encountered was absence of good lighting and almost total physical darkness. Those attending this Sunday morning service were sitting in darkness, literally. and it became painfully obvious that they sat in darkness spiritually, following leader David Chisholm. The entire seating area was so dark that no one could read an AV1611 Bible even if they had one! We know, because Larry had one. The only light in the auditorium was coming from the stage and the mandala projected on the darkened walls (more on the mandala in a minute).
The praise and worship lasted for the better part of an hour and one could not be sure if it was the sound of victory or defeat unless you were born-again and familiar with God’s Final Authority, the AV1611 Holy Bible. Larry quickly concluded that it was the sound of defeat as it rarely mentioned the name of Jesus and continually referred to him as the ONE. The ONE is a name used by the Luciferin Society in reference to their god Satan. Hmm.
During the “service or lack thereof” mandalas were projected on the darkened walls to bring the attendees into a trance and ready them to receive the message in tongues from a lead singer in the praise band. Mandala are used in Hinduism and New Age Religion to alter the minds of seekers. “Mandala” is loosely translated to mean “circle,” and comes from the Indian language called Sanskrit and is not just a simple shape. Mandalas are seen as a model or cosmic diagram to remind us of our relationship to infinity. Mandalas are a spiritual teaching tool to establish a Sacred Place and serve as an aid in meditation and trance induction. New Age uses mandalas to assist the meditator to experience oneness with the cosmos in all its forms. Mandala symbols are used as a tool to explore deeper levels of unconscious.
We must stop and ask why was David Chisholm using this deceptive type of will worship with his followers?
Next the woman leading the singing gave what was supposed to be a message in tongues. Everyone waited for an interpretation, while another band member sought an interpreter to no avail. The same woman who gave the message in tongues used this pause in the action to make up some nonsense and gave the interpretation herself; thus bypassing all Biblical protocol even when these gifts were still in operation. Her interpretation? A garbled mess of hogwash, and that is putting it lightly. More to come later as her interpretation is analyzed in a separate post!
Not much input from FALSE APOSTLE David Chisholm. FAKE HEALER AND FALSE PROPHET Kevin Leal took the stage and tried to preach a salvation message, but kept leaning towards works salvation in addition to the shed blood of Jesus Christ. Not many antics from Leal. Perhaps he was saving himself for the grand opening of the new Rock synagogue near Columbus, OH that night. After muttering something about going to save the world Leal was through. Larry left, saddened by the kind of spiritual darkness his estranged family and other Bible ignorant people sit in at the Rock church.
CHECK OUT THE FOLLOWING POSTS ON EZEKIEL3 THAT SHED MORE BIBLICAL LIGHT ON THE ROCK CULT! Use the search engine on this blog to find: “the Rock church – Tongues and Interpretation http://www.ezekiel3.com/2013/09/17/the-rock-church-tongues-and-interpretation/ – “FALE APOSTLES on TRIAL” – FALSE APOSTLES the CLOSING STATEMENT
Im starting to wonder if Anonymous is like 10 years old…i guess you have to throw false accusations out of false teachings false gospels and false apostles if u aint being taught the truth u cant tell the truth Anonymous please get on the same page your given me a headache with all the useless nonsence everything ur saying is vexation……from the babbling you do i can tell u guys aint getting the spiritual milk u need at the Rock or im wondering if u even live and study the word of God…matter a fact im starting to wonder if u attend church anywhere stop being a advocate for the Rock cuase u aint helping them none…the Av 1611 has been around alot longer than any other verison so i willstick with it unless u guys at the Rock have the dead sea scrolls which thats possible since hes a “apostle”
Is this the same Anonymous that said he/she/? was going to block this site and everything to do with it? If so, again, which bible is the corrected correct one that supercedes the AV1611. Quick go ask your False Apostle what the answer is.
You are still an adulterer
You did not tell us which “bible” you believed was perfect and inerrant before you decided to bug out and crawfish under “the Rock church” of unbelief. You did not stay around to defend your perversion. What happened? With all that special enlightenment from the false apostle this should have been a quick easy assignment for you. I see another heretic bit the dust of the AV1611.
Even the NKJV is jacked up…in 2kings23:29NKJV…inhos days Pharaoh Necho king of Egypt went to the aid of the Assyria to the River Euphrates(partial verse)..Now heres the AV1611KJV
2KINGS23:29KJV….inhis days Pharoh nechoh king of Egypt went up against the king of Assyria to the river Euphrates(partial verse)….aid and against is to totaly diffrent words…now why would they use two words opposite of each other to explain the same thing….and theres several verses in the NKJV like that….think about it……..
Theres 65000 words missing out of the niv and several scriptures one of them is 1john5:7kjv…For there are three that bear record in heaven the Father the Word and the Holy Ghost and these three are one….i think thats a pretty important verse…theres some missing in mathew and luke and some others its not bible worship…its called wanting to be correct with the word theres so many perversions of the bible its not funny satan trys to pervert everything God has done theres even a queen james bible if u dont believe that go to amazon 24.95….I think they think there pastor is the final authority at the Rock instead of the word of God….
See what im saying u give them scripture about not changing words and adding and taking away words its like they dont even see it….its crazy……they go off on a whole other subject they cant explain nothing about the unbiblical things happening….its like they dont even read the word of God(av1611kjv)….it isnt called the authorized version for nothing like i said if there going to use a new writing instrument in the av1611 every time they write God im sure there going to copy the original text correctly….i know i put at least 5 scriptures on here about altering the bible and its like they just dont get it its crazy
God is not limited by a version, You need some demons cast out of you. I am blocking this site and everything to do with it and your wolves who hang with you. I am done.
You said “I believe the bible”. I can say that too, I believe the Bible (AV1611 KJV). Which so-called version do you believe and I will give you the opportunity to enlighten us all on why you believe it. READY SET GO! Waiting. Jesus said the Holy Ghost would bring to our remembrance whatsoever thing He said to us, NOT the made up fantasies of a False Apostle delivered ex-cathedra.
Mathew18:17kjv…And if he shall neglect to hear them tell it to the church but if he neglect to hear the church let him be unto to thee as a heathen man and a publican
And i put several scriptures in here about all that
James4:12kjv….there is one lawgiver who is able to save and destroy who art thou that judgest another?
I believe the bible, I have the Holy Spirit who instructs in all things. As long as the Holy Spirit teaches, I am covered.
But i love ya anyways brother
Your bible teaches you to test all things not judge anything there is only one judge…..Luke6:37kjv..Judgenot and ye shall not be judged condemn not and ye shall not be condemned forgive and ye shall be forgiven…..i never read in the bible where it told me to judge anything
That was directed towards the people at the Rock
I was saying what u been saying is true u misunderstood what i was saying or something
U must have misunderstood me i agree with what your saying we all have faults..i was just apologizing that wasnt even directed toward u or your buddy on here i know whats going on there is wrong but nothing u say or your buddy says is going to change there mind all they want to do is argue….so love ya brother sorry u feel that way
You must be reading some other Bible. My AV1611 KJB teaches me to judge all things, beware wolves in sheep’s clothing, warns of grevious wolves that enter in , warns of false doctrine, warns of doctrines of devils, warns about adding to His words, warns about
FALSE APOSTLES, and on an on. I never said I didn’t have faults, and the only fault you find with me is that I believe the Bible and you don’t.
True disciples of Christ will be men and women cautious in their judgment of others; conscious of their own faults; confident and earnest in prayer; wary of false teachers and hypocritical profession; building all eternal hopes upon the firm Rock, faith in the Word of God and Christ Jesus.
PRAISE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST!!!!..I love everybody…and i love the people at the Rock and il even love them extra cause they need it…….As brothers and sisters in Christ we need to realize that we are to look out for each other and i believe thats all Brother Ray is doing all u have to do is read scripture follow the written word of God…Test all things….Honestly the Holy Bible should be ur teacher(av 1611 KJV)…some people is called to teach the bible and some think they are so please again study ur bibles dont just read them and defenetly dont take someones word for it even if it os your pastor cause remember hes a human being he can be wrong……..im sorry if i offended anyone i get a little reved up sometimes when i talk about my sweet and precious Holy Saviour Jesus Christ and the written word of God(av 1611 KJV) I do it and do it with passion when u love the Lord thats how u do it………….
Thats another thing theses donomanations i believe in we are all brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus…the diffrent branches of churches are instances where people decided to follow man instead of the true word of God
Theres a old saying ….You can lead a horse to water but you cant make em drink im pretty sure thats whats gone on here
My teacher is the words of God which is in the (AV 1611 KJV)
Like i said some people put more faith in the words of man then the do the words of God…i see it in alot of churches people worship the pastor more then they do GOD
2Timothy4:3kjv….For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers having itching ears
Bottom line is people dont want sound doctrine they want there ears tickeld….they want to hear there gonna have money nice cars 300000 dollar houses…they dont want to hear….mark9:43-44kjv….and if thy hand offend thee cut it off it is better for thee to enter into life maimed than havingtwo hands to go into hell into the fire that shall never be quenched44:where there worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched
Theres a diffrence between idolizing thebible and holding the spoken word of God in ur heart..thats what it is used for teaching and right living and some people need to be taught contrary to what they think not everyone understands the Holy Bible if they did there wouldnt be pastors and teachers and so on and so on….but people will be people and put there faith in man instead of the spoken word of God as bro ray says (the KJV AV 1611 OF COARSE)…so no matter who u are testeverything cause remember man will be man and there intensions are not always good
Is that enough scripture to let u know not to add or take away things from the Holy words of God….Praise be unto his name…not to mention perverting the gospel
Galatians6-7kjv….I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into grace of Christ unto another gospel:7Which is not another;but there be some that trouble you and would pervert the gospel of christ
Prov30:6kjv…add thou not unto his words lest he reprove thee and thou be found a liar
Duet12:32kjv…what thing soever i command you observe to do it thou shalt not add thereto nor diminish from it
Im thankful for the kjv i love my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ…Praise be unto his Holy Sweet and precious name
AMEN!!!…PRAISE HIS SWEET AND HOLY NAME!!!
Deut4:2kjv….ye shall not add unto the word which i command you neither the shall diminish aught from it that ye may keep the commandments of Lord your God which I command you
No one is idolizing the kjv theres a diffrence between idolizing and following the written word of God
Rev:22.19kjv…and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy God shall take away his part out of the book of life and out of the holy city and from the things which are written in this book
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You are not the first and certainly won’t be the last to complain because I believe I have the Scriptures (AV1611 Holy Bible) that are infallible, inerrant, and perfect that I can hold in my hand. You criticize me, but what about your tongue talking, and believing Chisholm when he claims to have seen Jesus Christ, or your tolerating Chisholm’s laughing fits in the pulpit? Can you address my questions for my readers and give scriptures in context to back up your erroneous beliefs? I will even let you use your perverted versions of the bible. Waiting. That’s what I thought the cat got your TONGUES.
I disagree that believing in a God who can preserve his words for the English people is Bible worship. What do you have to say about the off the wall (mandala) worship and tongue talking going on inside the walls of the Rock?
Bible worship.
Yet they say, “I see”, and cannot focus on the fact that the AV1611 is God’s words for them. Furthermore they cannot rightly divide the words of the Living God to their own destruction.
amen, Amen, and AMEN!!!
Blind leading the blind……
There is only one bible by defenition the authorized king james any other is unauthorized
Id stick to the topics being discussed..
Quit avoiding the things being discussed no one is discussing his married life…awnser the question about the big tounges revalation the lady had there…..or being drunk in the spirit or the mandalas on the walls or laughing for 45 minutes straight during sunday service………
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That place is a trap it uses all its fancy equipment its fancy looks to suck people in then biblicly kills them…the only ones who escape is the ones who truly know Jesus Christ….the rest are there for the excitment…I actually had someone from there tell me another church was boring…I could sit in a 12 by 12 room if the preacher was teaching the true word of God with nothing in it….most true christians dont need a fifteen person praise and worship team big screens resturaunt in the lobby pastor no where to be seen back in his dressing room getting ready like a rock star every church ive ever been to the pastor was at the front door shaken hands not the “Rock Organization”I think old “pastor dave”needs to humble himself a little bit
If he was true he would not have had to put up such a ridiculous billboard the Lord would have led people to his church instead he leads them away how many people has left that place think about it
If calling people “spiritual hitchhikers”and “losers” isnt accusing I dont know what is
Plus the whole reason I even said anything on here was because chisholm was accusing other churches of being boring I mean come on the guy had a billboard in town saying u tired of church come to the rock if that isnt accusing someone I dont know what is….not mention calling people “spiritual hitchhikers” because people dont pay there tithes ur tithes are between u and God not you and chisholm and ive heard him use the word “loser” I dont remember Jesus Christ using comments like that until he got to the temple where they turned it into a den of theives
No im a accuser of someone using our Lord and Saviours name to feed there own belly and using his Holy name to decieve people…..
What Causes a Critical Spirit?
1. Negativeness – A bad attitude and a negative view of life. A person may have unconfessed sin in their life (Rom. 2:1), or may harbor unforgiveness or bitterness toward someone who may have offended them (Heb. 12:15).
2. Insecurity – Criticism is often a subconscious means to “elevate one’s own self image.” By putting others down, they are inwardly trying to feel more important or that “they know more.” Jealousy toward the spiritual victories of others is often the cause of criticism and belittling comments. Popular ministers of the Gospel are often the target of such tactics.
3. Immaturity – Believers must always keep their focus upon Christ and His Word, not man, who will often fail (Heb. 12:2). The young or immature believer who has not progressed very far in their own faith, remain overly dependent upon the faith of those within the body of Christ. Unfortunately, when they begin to notice the flaws in their brethren, subconsciously, this becomes a threat to their own sense of victory. Criticism becomes a reaction of disappointment, because their expectations in others have been crushed.
4. An Unrenewed Mind – Put-downs, making-fun-of, criticism, sarcasm are the world’s ways of reacting to the faults of people. However, as Christians we don’t behave this way. Our thinking and attitude should be renewed by the Word of God, which teaches us to bear the infirmities of the weak, to love, and show compassion and encouragement (Rom. 12:2).
5. The Devil – As we may realize, the Devil specializes in influencing obsessive behavior. He may use any or all of the above channels, or other techniques, to influence a complaining or critical attitude to stir up turmoil and strife within the body of Christ (Eph. 6:12). We must be on guard that none of us would be used as a tool of the Devil to bring harassment or discouragement upon our brothers or sisters through continual criticism, as the Bible warns us not to “give place” to the Devil (Eph. 4:27). Remember that Satan is specifically called “the accuser of the brethren” (Rev. 12:10). Are you an accuser of the brethren?
Another instance of a critical spirit, The person with a critical spirit usually dwells on the negative, seeks for flaws rather than good. They’re a complainer, usually always upset, and generally have a problem or a complaint about something. They often have little control over their tongue, their temper, and have tendencies for gossip and slander, which Paul said were sins “worthy of death” (Rom. 1:29-32).
See you are just a fault finder That is what happens when you have rejection issues. Or perhaps a hardened heart. It is all about competition with the IFB. No wonder most of them end up divorced. Dave Chisholm has been married from day one. A few of the “street preachers have been married more than once.
Well I can see this isnt going anywhere just a bunch of arguing so im out.
..u guys enjoy ur seminars..powerpoints and flying lessons…as bro ray says “get u a king james” put down the iphones and ipads hope everthing works out at the “Rock Organization” keep those ticket sales up and the pastors pockets full….Ill be praying for ya……
Cult u dont see us flopping around on the floor getting sheets throwed over us…..STUDY UR BIBLE!!!
Watch his sermon creating a on ramp what a joke……..should have called it how to sucker people in…stevie wonder could see whats going on there
U will defenetly loose em quoting scriptures out of the king james thats way to technical for “Rock Organization” there pastor dont even understand that version how they suppose to
Or should I say on his Ipad
They dont seem to understand the king james…..but I do agree with ya ray
Chisholm uses so many versions of the bible on his youtube sermons it isnt even funny and I use the word sermons loosley matter of fact disregard that…we will use the word babbelings….il bet he stares in the mirror in the morning and watches hisself talk…counting his money and saying to u guys….”HOW DUMB THOU ART”
I have king james but used the niv on here hoping mabey they would understand it a little better but guess not….
This is fact
What a reply chisholm teach u that too…..surley u can come up with something better then that….
No, that is the Rock church under the scrutiny of the King James Bible.
If you are going to call Independent Fundamental Baptists a cult and those who believe the AV1611 Holy Bible idolaters on this blog, pardon me, I must ask you to explain yourself. WAITING. Ready set GO!!
AMEN!! The NIV is sodomite friendly and had sodomites both male and female on the translation committees and you cannot find the word sodomite in the NIV, wonder why?
Hope: My opinion is it? Did you watch the video that is evidence to this heresy? How does the scriptures rightly divided line up with this travesty of Christianity? Maybe you can get David Chisholm and some of his cronies to publicly debate Dwane Karr, Larry McCune, and myself either on the internet or live and recorded concerning what we call and know by Bible standards to be heresy at the Rock Church. Waiting to here what your FALSE APOSTLE says.
You could easily tell this woman was pulling this junk out of her head on a moments notice. No one went along with her tongues and interpretation nonsense so she had to make something up at the last minute. Made no sense Biblical or otherwise. Not even good English. And Dan, you would do well to drop that NIV perversion of the scriptures. God has given you light to see the Rock and Charismatics for what they are , I pray the Lord that he will show you how that NIV is just vain babblings by homosexuals and other reprobates and apostates. God bless and keep you, Bro. Ray
That is your opinion.
NIV is a homosexual bible.
IFB cult, KJV Idolaters
Ezekiel13:3niv…this is what the Sovereign Lord says:Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing!
Thats straight off the ipad or iphone I guarantee that I was there once never even seen a bible….they dont know how to use a bible
Souds like to me u guys at the “rock organization” put more faith in chisholm then u do the words of the bible…..
Mabey u should watch more tmz u would learn more about the bible there then u would at the “rock organizatin”
So the unbiblical Heretic says!!
Pride doesnt even have anything to do with whats being discussed….pick ya out a couple more random bible verses off ur ipad…….Give me a break….u cant talk to someone about the bible who doesnt even know the bible and defenetly isnt being taught the bible…..STUDY UR BIBLE!!!! quit taking “apostle” chisholms word for it
Just a bunch of nonsense like everything else there go figure….
dj: First of all you need to get yourself an AV1611 Holy Bible, I have no idea which perversion you are quoting from. Why do some people act what way? Scripture commands us to mark those who are unruly, and the woman in this tonguing video is out of control as well as out of her spiritual mind. Listen again, this is nothing more than gibberish both in the tongues and the interpretation, the message is not Biblical. I am not being proud or haughty, I am simply pointing out unbiblical nonsense and false doctrines of devils.
I have no discretion? You can’t spot a FALSE APOSTLE when he stands in front of you and lies about seeing Jesus Christ. You don not even know which Bible is God’s words (AV1611 of course).
The Bible says, “A gossip betrays a confidence; so avoid a man (or woman) who talks too much” (Proverbs 20:19).
Why do some people act this way? One reason, I’m convinced, is because they think it makes them better than other people. In other words, if you tear everyone else down, who is left standing? You are–and it makes you feel superior to everyone else. Behind this is pride–the kind of pride that says, “I am better than you are.”
But this attitude is wrong, not only in the eyes of other people but also in the eyes of God. The Bible warns, “Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall” (Proverbs 16:18). It also declares, “Whoever slanders his neighbor in secret, him will I put to silence” (Psalm 101:5).
You talk to much, have no discretion.
This is a gossip page. No different than watch TMZ.
So saith the pharisee
Read ur bible and quit taken chisholms word for it trust me
Snore a palooza …
.does church have to be like a rock concert to satisfy u guys over there..
This is my point exactly…..u guys wouldnt know a good sermon if u heard one….but like I said u guys like to hear chisholms” ideas “on how to live life …not the true word of God
No I was speaking to down with the sickness. Maybe I can sneak in a camera. So then I can expose how dead and lifeless it is there. Most likely a snore-a-palooza
One more thing in 1corinthians14:2…what they are saying if ur at a church and ur the only one in that church that speaks ur launguage or “tounge”the only one who uderstands you is God because he knows all languages…and when peter eas at cornelius house the gift was used there because cornelius was part of the “Italian” regimen in the roman army he spoke italian not hebrew like peter and in romans8:26-27 that means he knows whats on our hearts whether we say it or not that dont mean rock back and forth spouting off something u dont even know what ur saying….what charismatics are basicaly saying is the Holy Spirit possess ur body thats not true in romans it says “wordless” groans not ecstatic gibberish notice the word…..WORDLESS…..ROMANS8:27NIV….AND HE WHO SEARCHES ARE HEARTS KNOWS THE MIND OF THE SPIRIT BECAUSE THE SPIRIT INTERCEDES FOR GODS PEOPLE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE WILL OF GOD….so that means since u have the Holy Spirit god knows what u need and want whether u say it or not ….
Thats all folks bible study is over for today il check back in a few days to see if u needanother one
If u guys understood corinthians u would know that it is a letter to the church of corinth scolding them for everything there doing wrong….like the guy sleeping with his step mom going into the communion and just eating and drinking the wine and bread and all the women in there flopping around on the floor praying in tounges its a letter on not what to do and how to do it right so please study it a bit more not read it “STUDY” it theres a diffrence
Everything is suppose to be done with love and love doesnt edify itself…..what use is praying in tounges when God knows what your going to say before u even say it…praying in tounges would be self edification and the gifts are to edify the church not to go home and pray in your bathroom who interprets when ur by yourself doing it….look at it like this why go through all the trouble with a bunch of gibber gabber u dont even know what it means when u can pray in ur known tounge “english” God knows all languages even english so theres no need for gibber gabber hes a God of order not disorder…the gifts are for the edifying of the church not urself…and realy theres no need for the gift of tounges anymore think of all the technology that interprets other languages and the bible is written in so many diffrent languages it was to spread the gospel in the early church if u want to do magic watch david blain or go to walmart and buy u a magic kit…I dont suggest that though
This is Bro. Ray. Are you talking to me? You won’t find anyone in our gatherings laughing their fool head off and blaming it on God the Holy Ghost, you won’t find c-rock and c-rap in our church, you will not find anyone claiming to be an apostle and having a personal IN PERSON encounter with Jesus Christ. In other words you will not find any religious nuts! Selah.
Nothing im saying is made up its all facts straight from chisholms mouth from sermons on youtube and I would tell him everything im saying to his face
You might want to have that religious spirit casr out of you.
Where do you gather? I am sure I would find a lot of error.
Im not trying to pick fights I just want everyone to recieve there spot in the kingdom of heaven and were told to test everthing amd nothing going on there passes the test
Just remember even the devil disguises himself as a angel of light mixing the truth with lies…..the truth being the word of God…and the lies being his personal opinion….think about it
I just hope the Lord touches his heart and shows him the right path because spiritualy hes responsible for his flock and reading a couple scriptures and then wondering off and talking about planes and calling people spiritual hitchhikers and losers and telling people to go buy books from think tanks to make money is not sound doctrine its his personal opinions and he has said all those things ive heard it with ny own ears I dont think Jesus would have called people losers or spiritual hitchhikers….not to mention the pagan symbols they project on the walls look those up if u dont want to take my word for it chisholm needs to tighten it up at the “Rock Organization” for his sake and the flocks ….ur salvation is nothing to gamble with….
Theres one of two things happening here hes not called to preach and he thinks what hes doing is right or hes not called to preach and hes straight taking advantage of the situation…either way hes not called to preach
1timothy 6:3-10niv….if anyone teaches otherwise and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching 4:they are conceited and understand nothing.They have a unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy strife malicious talk evil suspicions5:and constant friction between people of corrupt mind who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means of financial gain.6:But godliness with contentment is great gain.7:For we brought nothing into the world and we can take nothing out of it.8:But if we have food and clothing we will be content with that.9:Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction.10:For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.Some people eager for money have wanderd from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
Il bet if there was food and coffee and tickets being sold at the temple he would have turned those tables over to
Mathew21:12-13niv….Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there he overturned the tables of those money changers and benches of those selling doves “it is written” he said to them “My house will be called a house of prayer but you are making it a den of robbers
One more thing what do u think that play raked in between ticket sales and food out ftont im saying 100000 or better…..think about it
Ive been watching and questioning that place for months I know whats going on up there cooken the books I guarantee that 3 diffrent churches there raking it in….I know he dont need my money he dont know what to do with all he has…like I said I lnow people who go there I know people who have worked there and I know people who have went there…..ive heard to many stories and theres sum truth to some of them I guarantee that and like I said its wrong it gives people the wrong idea about church another scheme designed by satan himself to run people off from church…I mean cone on theres a pay resteraunt in the place…not to mention charging people to get saved with flight 666 whats them tickets 7 -10 dollars a piece I bet ten to fifteen thousand showed up for that figure it up….plus the resteraunt id never charge people to learn about salvation through our lord and saviour Jesus Christ…….ive gave everybody ten thousamd reasons why that place is jacked up….and all I have heard is name calling……
My main concern up there is all the misled souls up there not anybodies empty opions I know what I hear the guy say and I know what I see him do he wasnt called to preach I can tell ya I think myself and this right here is my opinion…I think he found a way to make easy money and what hes doing is wrong and nothing with ill intentions works thats why he camt keep his flock together God wont allow it look how many people has left that place enough to start another church….I know people who go to the other church and I know why they left u bring that place up to any christian they either say nothing or money comes up or the word occult
Il be waiting to be called some more names and hand out some sound doctrine let me know when the “Rock Organization”wants to learn some sound doctrine il pencil u guys in…I give bible studies monday thru sunday 9-12
2 timothy 3:16niv……all scripture is God breathed and is useful for teaching rebuking correcting and traing in righteousness 17:so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for everygood work…..so I guess these people are saying the bible is a fault finder….the stuff I have seen chisholm saying and doing is defenetly in need of some rebuking….Hes REBUKED!!!!
Go home practice praying in tounges give me a break……u guys need to put down the iphones and ipads and get yoy sum paper bibles over there at the “Rock Organization” cause the power points are not working…by the way love old chisholms bible and pulpit to…something else I heard him say was on the 5-13 sermon was he was quoting something from romans and said “its one of those scriptures in there” are u kidding me….yea we will take ur word on that dave…..Get offthe chisholm train before Iits to late
open ur eyes and see that place for what it is…..I mean honestly do u think that so called pastor needs a house on wyndemere dr…thats one of the richest neighborhoods in town and then screening someone at his church when they need money for a bill to see if there “lazy” or not I believe the congergation is paying his bills in his 300000 dollar home ur calling the wrong person a hypocite it people like him who run people off from church because people see that stuff like the big home….once again God dont bless u with money…..God blesses u with a happy life and a eternal spot in his kingdom not a lavish house on wyndemere dr…..so u guys keep going to the power points on sundays and the free flying lessons on wensdays….and il keep praying for ya….ephisians5:14niv…this is why it is said wake up sleeper rise from the dead and christ will shine on you
I didnt say anything about when he learned to fly I was wondering why he went on about him landing one at the wood county airport for 20 minutes at the Rock Organization when your there to learn the word of god not watch him glorify himself for a hour…I think the guy just likes to hear himself talk….jude 12-13niv these people are blemishes at your love feasts eating with you without the slightest qualm shepards who feed only themselves they are clouds without rain blown along by the wind autumn trees without fruit uprooted twice dead foaming up there shame wandering stars for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever
Theres nothing hypocrite about it…..its all facts and jesus called us to call out false teachers and thats what im doing….I told someone from that church to try another church and they said the church I told them to go to looked boring that right there tells me there going to the rock for the excitment feelings of gandgure…like being in the redskins locker room before the game…u know the only sin thats unforgivable is blaspheming the holy spirit….u guys at the rock need to be careful about what ur saying the holy spirit is doing….anyone that truly loves our lord and savior Jesus Christ can tell that place is not right….thats why chisholm cant keep his flock together…U will know them by there fruits….thats why sunday the first he didnt even have a “sermon” if thats what u guys call those he had a power point on where the money was going…sounds like ro me he was pullen the old cover my tracks trick….il bet them books got more white out then I dont know what up there at the “Rock Organization” what a joke……and I tried to stomach the “sermon” from the thirteenth of may he needs to know hes accountable for everyone there…..thats where the shepard and his flock comes in, in numerouse scriptures tell chisholm we have bible study if he needs sum catching up….bottom line is guy is feeding his own belly…..he dont preach on the scriptures he reads just read jude 12-13 thats chisholm all day….mark 3:29niv but whoever blasphemes against the holy spirit will never be forgivin they are guilty of aneternal sin……just like the pharasees did to Jesus saying it was the devil…only now its the opposite….u guys say its the Holy Spirit and its the devil
sounds like you have more faith in the people who translated av1611 than you do in the GOD who wrote its principles
The JUNK you speak of is a factual report of what happened during Dwane Karr and Larry McCune’s visit to the Rock church.
Anonymous, here’s an idea. Since you run to Dave Chisholm’s defence often and quickly, why don’t you set up a meeting with he and I to discuss any issues I have with his beliefs. This post on which your commenting is FACTUAL. No disputing the FACTS written there in. Another post on this site has video evidence of the woman mentioned there in giving a Tongue and Interpretation that makes no sense whatsoever. Then to blame some nonsense on the Holy Ghost of God is blasphemy.
CHALLENGE: Myself and Dwane Karr who is one of my witnesses to this post will debate David Chisholm publickly by internet or at his church using Roberts Rules and anyone or ones he wants to help him concerning his FALSE DOCTRINES of His Apostleship, His personal visitation from Jesus Christ, His healing powers, His tongue talking, His interpretations, His authority to prophecy, His choices of damnable rock and rap music in the church, His choices of false bible translations or any other doctrine that we deem damnable that he hold in high esteem. Ready set GO ASK HIM!
No, No, NO, My religion is not dead. I have and serve the Living God of the AV1611 Holy Bible through His Son, a risen Saviour, Jesus Christ. David Chisholm’s grace is tolerating the non-Biblical lies of those who will tolerate his non-Biblical lies.
You are still a hypocrite.
All you have is traditions of men. Dead religion. Pastor Dave has been married to the same woman for the past 30 years. He has grace for people, unlike the dead pharisees here.
Pastor Dave learned to fly an airplane before he became a pastor, he used to build jets. So before you spout off about something check your facts. And Pastor Dave does not need your money it would probably be corrupt anyway. Put that in your fault finding book. Hypocrite.
Go to Dave Chisholm and tell him. Why spread junk about someone on the internet. How old are you? 3?
Sorry for the mis quote in my previous writing ….its easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle then it is for a rich person to enter the gates of heaven…..main thing is people need to wake up and test everything your salvation is nothing to play around with….keep up the good work pointing theses people out
My phone is junk…u guys get the point stay away from the rock “convention center” nothing there…unless u want to learn how to fly a plane and sucker people out of money….I call it embezeling from God ….Makes me sick
Charismatics thinl we are attacking them when we are really trying to help…God will let people go on being decieved to see if people truly love him or not
One more thing God does not bless u with money or a overly large house on wendymere dr he blesses u with what u need and a spot in his eternal Kingdom….if he blesses u with wealth why did our Lord and Savior say it harder for a camel to go through the eye of a needle then it is for a rich person to enter the gates of heaven….think about it
Im not saing there isnt good chritians at theses charismatic churches cause there is they are being taught the wrong things if anything at all …they need to be led away from this movment….people need to speak out against it…..john mcauther has good material out about…please people RUN!! get out of there before its to late…
Acts 2:38niv…..peter replied repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for forgivness of your sins and you will recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit…….dont see nothing about speaking in tounges in there it the easy gift to fake thats why the charismatics pick up on it they will even tell u to go home and practice it….how do u practice a gift from God im scared to even go in one of them places cause something might attatch its self to u a familiar spirit…..by the way dontmost churches have a cross on them the rock dont I dont even think theres one on the Iinside hows people suppose to even know its a place of worship I call it a convention center where he puts on his lectures to get them collection plates filled thats probally how he got the modest house on wendymere drive…one of the richest neighbor hoods in town….open ur eyes people at the rock ur being decieved….mathew 7:21-23NIV…not everyone who says to me Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven many will say to me on that day Lord Lord did we not prophesey in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles then I will tell them plainly I never knew you away from me evildoers…….notice all the things these people our Lord and Savior was talking to the things they were doing….and he says he never knew them…think about it
All I can say is charismatics base there religion on feeling not faith…and as far as ur have not recieved the holy spirit unless u speak in tounges u chritians dont listen to that its a lie from the devil himself to get u to doubt ur salvation……
As far as kevin leal dont know the guy heard him once the only time I was there…if he stands behind dave chisholm there aint no truth in him
Only thing I heard when I was there was how to make money “step over a penny to get to a dollar” “buying a book from a think tank to help u financialy” and how to land a plane at the wood county airport….he thtows a couple bible scriptures out the pushes his own opinion on ya istead of the truth.I thought it was jones town all over again all they was missing was the purple koolaid….the bad part is all the people riding the chisholm train….its realy sad
U could be praying to satan himself and u guys would never know it…all u guys are doing over there is stirring up familiar spirits making them selfs as the holy spiritt….satan even poses as a angel of light mixing truth with lies
Theres no need for tounges because dave chisholm speaks english….why go through all the trouble when he can just speak his “revalation” in english or who ever has a “revalation” over there can speak it in english “tounges is a known launguage.
I believe the rock is a occult been there seen it for myself….anyone who says if u dont pay ur tithes ur a spiritual hitchhiker is not of God
Really? Where’s the Sunday morning service where FALSE APOSTLE DAVE CHISHOLM began to laugh uncontrollably fifteen minutes into is MESS-age, then the audience laughed with him for 45 minutes or so, next he just gave up on this particular Sunday morning service and everyone went home. where’s that video? Drunk in the “spirit” eh? WHAT A THING MAN, WHAT A THING. Also the APOSTLE said himself in an internet video that things were more controlled in the Sunday morning service, and then the Rock becomes more like the Rock on Sunday night and Saturday night. Where are the “laughing spirit” sermons, I would like to see them. And we know this happens. Where are the projected mandalas rotating on the walls? Where is the SILLY tongues and interpretation that we show on EZEKIEL3? It would seem that most of what we see published by the Rock is bait to draw unsuspecting apostates into farther apostasy. It’s the SOMETHING MORE that should worry you.
Actually, the Rock puts all sermons out on the internet.. you didn’t need to record anything because they don’t edit Pastor Dave’s sermons. I pray you see truth before it is too late ..
Every time heretics find faults with other people they pull out bizarre crap, yeah you are a raving lunatic.
You read this post and think I’m the lunatic?
Wow, you are a real lunatic.
No one assumed anything. Larry captured this religious nonsense on over one hour of video.
Ray you know what happens when you assume.
Deborah: Your comment deserves a much more in depth answer than I can give here. Perhaps I will use your comment at a later date in a post. But for now, why is it that charismatics always seem to speak in tongues but never, never, NEVER drink the “any deadly thing” hmmm. They also quote Acts chapter two but I’ve never seen the pillars smoke or tongues of fire, hmmm.
He was speaking to his apostles, read it like it says to whom it says. Apostles were appointed by the Lord Jesus Christ before the canon of scripture was CLOSED (I’m not speaking of Hip Hop Canon the rappers). Read False Apostles on Trial or False Apostles the Closing Statement on this Blog by using the search engine on your right.
Keep this in mind, the whole AV1611 Holy Bible was written TOO YOU but not FOR YOU. This is called Dispensations, of which FALSE APOSTLES like David Chisholm know nothing about or ignore. For example dietary laws, Sabbath keeping, animal sacrifices, and etc. Hope this helps. Bro. Ray
Mark 16:17-18V
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Jesus states these things will accompany those who believe so who are you to say that they shouldnt? He didn’t limit it to certain people He said this who believe not those who believe that are this or that or who are from here etc
Dave, there was NOTHING even pertaining to envy here in this post. Just pointing out a cult that does what cults do best, vain worship that goes against the scripture. Just reading the comments here, you NEVER answered ANY of Ray’s questions. Your argument is invalid, for this post is pointing out one of many spiritual harlots that are here in America, not exalting the dead religion it is speaking against. Quit answering with your own thoughts, and answer with the Word of God.
You are here, first to comment, and first to cast a false judgment. I challenge you to cast the first stone buddy. Oh wait, you’re not without sin, neither is any human being, therefore you can’t.
Dave: Go ahead and answer. I promise not to respond in anyway and let you teach my readers with scripture. The floor is yours. If you choose to not take this time to make your points about what I’ve said about Chisholm’s heresies everyone will assume I was right. Ready, se,t GO!
My answer would not be correct anyway, dead religious people always have to be right?
Dave, Dave, Dave listen with your ears instead of your mouth, love among yourselves relates to the born again brethren. David Chisholm has not demonstrated that he is a born again brother. All he has done is demonstrate that he is mixing New Age with the trappings of Christianity and deceiving hundreds of members who came to him looking for the truth of the Scriptures. WHY THE MANDALAS? Answer that one please. Why the darkened room, could it be traits of his spiritual daddy who loves darkness more than light? Why a message in tongues that was pure ecclesiastical nonsense? Stick around we are going to check the tongue talker’s message out word for word, Larry has the video. You can see it yourself on FaceBook. David Chisholm has not done anything to me personally, I am just pointing out ERROR ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES as one that is not driven by money and willing to SPEAK UP AND SPEAK OUT ( see that post ). This man is robbing other churches of members and support to preach heresies.
GIVE ME CHAPTER AND VERSE FOR CHISHOLM’S HERESIES listed in my last response. Can’t do it can you, Bible ignorance is the problem.
Dave: Chapter and verse please. I am not envious of David Chisholm. Why would I be envious of someone who has been deceived?
Dave: You have not answered concerning the flaws that I presented in my response to your last comment. Why
Religion is envious of others
Not only does religion try to get us to overlook God’s love for us, it will also try to get us to hold things against others out of spite and unforgiveness, while God’s Word tells us that love keeps no record of wrong:
“And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity [love] shall cover the multitude of sins.”
1 Peter 4:8
Now don’t get me wrong, we are to judge the righteous judgment, which is common sense. If a person has not repented of their wrong, but continues in it, we may not be able to trust them with responsibilities that we could trust somebody else with. If you have been abused or raped, then you may not able to trust that person until they have earned their trust again (which may never happen). While it’s important to forgive those who wrong us, it may be foolish to begin trusting them right away. For example, it normally isn’t a good idea to leave your children alone with a child molester. Now if I know that person has truly repented, and sought deliverance, then it might be a different story. Trust can be earned, but we must be wise.
What I am talking about here is when a person continues to brew things in their mind that others have done against them. They will continue to be bitter and hold resentment in their heart while they overlook the love that God has had for them, and fails to have that same love in their heart towards those who have wronged them.
You are very religious.
Dave: Surely you were kidding when you said “Even if a minister has a few flaws”. Have you not read “SPEAK UP AND SPEAK OUT” on this very blog site? Preaching salvation and keeping it by works is ant-Christ and in lock step with the Pope of Rome. A few flaws? Imparting the “laughing spirit” on men, women, and children and calling it the Holy Ghost of God is more than a flaw! A few flaws? Going against the written words of God (AV1611 Holy Bible) and lying about a face to face encounter with Jesus Christ is more than just a flaw. A FEW FLAWS??? Claiming to be an apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ when the Bible teaches that office is no longer in effect is a flaw. A FEW FLAWS???? The use of mandala to bring the Rock audience under a trance to accept false doctrines is a HUGE FLAW!! Not correcting a band member leading the audience into error with her erroneous “tongue message and PRIVATE INTERPRETATION is more than a flaw!!! Allowing this woman to be out of order is a flaw ( see Dwane’s comment on this same post) A fitness center could produce the same “fruit” that Chisholm does and not destroy faith. A few flaws?? The praise and worship team used a loud repetitive music to assist the mandala in putting the audience into a trance was not just a flaw son. As for laboring in the kingdom, you should have said church or harvest because the Romans are kingdom builders. Also remember kingdom builders given time and opportunity turn into bloody killers aka Jim Jones and Roman Catholics. More than just a few flaws wouldn’t you say, son? What about fake healings? Think of the mental and physical pain suffered by those looking to David Chisholm for a miracle and then being disappointed because THEY didn’t have enough faith is quite a flaw. Not being able to name one medically documented supposed healings and miracles is a flaw. Not believing the AV1611 Bible is a MAJOR FLAW! And by the way I am not being religious by pointing out a FALSE APOSTLE, I’m being a Christian (Jesus commended it in The Book of Revelation). The AV1611 Holy Bible inspired by the Holy Ghost teaches us to mark them which cause division and Chisholm is causing division by teaching false doctrine to other pastors sheep and stealing sheep from other churches. Amen?
Religion is very judgmental and is quick to discredit others who are laboring in the kingdom for the sake of Christ. Even if a minister has a few flaws, but the rest of his ministry is bearing good fruit for the kingdom, religion will be quick to overlook all the good fruit, and focus in on the handful of negatives and flaws rather than the good fruit that is evident. Look at how even though Jesus was flawless in everything He did, the religious Jews would criticize him for healing somebody on the sabbath!
Wow! She interpreted her own tongues. I do not believe tongues are for the Church Age anyway for Signs (1 Cor.1:22) are for the Jews and they clearly were (2 Cor.12:12) “the signs of an apostle”. For unbelieving Jews in the Apostolic age. Why? Read Ex.4. The Jewish nation started with signs. Note the Apostle Paul could not heal anyone (2 Tim.4:12) at the end of his ministry. Why? The Apostolic age was over. God had quit dealing with the Jews “Nationally” and had turned to the Gentiles, among whom the “signs ” were not a requirement. Also (1 Cor.14:27) says for one to speak in tongues (which were valid at that time) and for another to interpret. Verse 28 says if no interpreter is there for them to keep silent. And lastly a few verses later (1 Cor.14:34) tells us “Let your WOMEN KEEP SILENT IN THE CHURCHES” and the context was Tongues! This all sound like confusion and vs.33 tells us clearly: “God is not the author of confusion!”