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Dan, do you really think 100 times will be enough? lol
Thanks Dan, I apologize for not posting you comment earlier. But with all this time amigodana has had time to SIT, SOAK, AND SOUR a little bit. Been busy with my tax prep business and then out of town.
Hermeneutics..write the definition to this word 100 times amigodana and then read 2timothy 2:15
No it’s how you interpret them is What matters..like you was asking about the the clouds and being caught up in the air from thessolonians What do you think that means amigodana let us hear your interpretation of those Scriptures break it down for us I believe it literally means we will be caught up in the clouds to meet Christ now let’s hear What you think……………?
I really do not know what to say. Really.!
Zac, where did I use “FOUL” language when answering amigodana in this post? I did call him an apostate to jar his conscience. This due to a string of off the wall comments he has made throughout many months on many different posts. I treasure amigodana, his is a faithful follower of this blog and much of what is said is tongue and cheek, I hope on both our parts. Remember, iron sharpeneth iron. Stick around a while and see what is actually happening on this blog/website. Many have recovered themselves out of the snare of the devil (ecumencalism) here. Others have learned valuable Bible theology. Hope to hear from you again soon. Bro. Ray P.S. have you read my post on salvation?
It’s a shame that you don’t prefer God!
Its a shame that you don’t know God or His Word.
I gave you scripture and a question and you couldn’t discuss scripture, you only belittle people. You are no different than the rest of the people in the world.
From what I’m reading, I can’t tell if you guys want to inform each other of God’s Word or try and prove that one is smarter and better than the other one.
We are here to bring souls to Christ, not to prove ourselves better, smarter, stronger, etc.
I love my God and I enjoy talking about Him and His Word. If you’d like to talk, I’m here. Or we can email. My terms are that we do not judge each other or call each other names. We do not use foul language and we do not defile ourselves with our words.
Those last three sentances and the web address were a great start in the right direction. thanks.
“And your point is… Can you Pleeaassseee quit with the cutting and pasting from an online Bible and express a thought of your own. Or else I am going to seek Dan Poole on you again.”
1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Its a King James Bible ONLY Software. Its Free and its put out by Mike Hoggard. You should check it out its an excellent program.
http://www.dewtronics.com/KingJamesPureBibleSearch/
And your point is… Can you Pleeaassseee quit with the cutting and pasting from an online Bible and express a thought of your own. Or else I am going to seek Dan Poole on you again.
(Genesis 6:5) “¶ And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”
Mark 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mark 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mark 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
Job 28:28 And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.
Psalms 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.
1 Chronicles 22:12 Only the LORD give thee wisdom and understanding, and give thee charge concerning Israel, that thou mayest keep the law of the LORD thy God.
You are beyond my help or the help of anyone I know. But keep reading, maybe you will get past your evil heart of unbelief. Bro. Ray
Thank You! Forgive me if I narrow it down to the primary scripture that we are holding in dispute.
(1 Thessalonians 4:17) “Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
Here in lies the problem; What do the clouds represent? Where are they located?
What does it mean to be in the air with the Lord?
What is Gods Wisdom and understanding concerning the clouds and being in the air?
You don’t like or agree with my words; I don’t like or agree with your words!
1 Chronicles 22:12 Only the LORD give thee wisdom and understanding, and give thee charge concerning Israel, that thou mayest keep the law of the LORD thy God.
So show me God’s Definition of “clouds” and “in the air”!
For example;
1 Kings 18:44 And it came to pass at the seventh time, that he said, Behold, there ariseth a little cloud out of the sea, like a man’s hand. And he said, Go up, say unto Ahab, Prepare thy chariot, and get thee down, that the rain stop thee not.
Is God saying that the cloud is like a mans hand?
Proverbs 25:14 Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain.
Or, is He saying that the clouds and wind without rain is like boastful empty words?
You see, you have to be careful though, in not claiming that you will ascend ABOVE the heights of the clouds.
Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
So like I said show me God’s Definition of “clouds” and “in the air”!
It is a short book but I will point you to the passage. I Thess. 4:13-18 & II Thess. 2:1-12 Hope this helps.
“Have you read IIThess. concerning this?
There’s your scripture.”
Don’t you have any charity? What chapter and verse?
Have you read IIThess. concerning this?
There’s your scripture.
Why? Because I believe the Lord and His Word!
And yet again, can you not give me scripture or is it only mans words that you have for a defense?
(Psalms 82:5-7) “They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. {6} I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. {7} But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.”
You are one messed up apostate>
You two are so arrogant! Do you still not know the scriptures? Its not my words that matter.
“Only the LORD give thee wisdom and understanding ………”
1 Chronicles 22:12 Only the LORD give thee wisdom and understanding, and give thee charge concerning Israel, that thou mayest keep the law of the LORD thy God.
You two really need to get to know Jesus! He makes the blind see, you know.
Psalms 119:169 ת (TAU). Let my cry come near before thee, O LORD: give me understanding according to thy word.
How about I just ask you one question at a time. I will start in elementary school for you.
(Proverbs 10:30) “The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth.”
How can you be removed and still “…….never be removed: …….” ?
Go on and tell me that was not for us!!! Show me how little you know Jesus!
2 Timothy 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
Like Dan said, explain in YOUR OWN WORDS what you do not understand so Dan of I can help you.
Can you do that?
Amigodana how about you explain how these verses you gave fit or don’t fit…let’s hear it explain them to us
I don’t mind waiting if you are researching.???
Absolutely.
Where in those scriptures does it say that the righteous will be taken much less taken first?
Instead of calling me names or deleting it, how about a simple short commentary on how you think those verses fit or don’t fit.
Can you do that?
And your point is?
Psalms 101:8 I will early destroy all the wicked of the land; that I may cut off all wicked doers from the city of the LORD.
Psalms 104:35 Let the sinners be consumed out of the earth, and let the wicked be no more. Bless thou the LORD, O my soul. Praise ye the LORD.
Proverbs 2:21 For the upright shall dwell in the land, and the perfect shall remain in it.
Proverbs 2:22 But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it.
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Isaiah 60:21 Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.
Isaiah 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
Malachi 4:5 ¶ Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
Amen, brother Dan, I am with you 100%. Hope to an in depth teaching on this in the future. Or have Dwane Karr do it.
Pre trib is what i believe 1thess5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath but to obtain salvation bybour Lord Jesus Christ